The final update from Al Baydha Project Co-founder Neal Spackman, 9 years in. How desertification resulted from the loss of an indigenous land management system, and how the land has changed since all inputs to the project were ceased in 2016. Neal moved on from Al Baydha in 2018 and can now be contacted at regenerativeresources.co
The species that worked the best for us were Ziziphus Spinachristi, Moringa Peregrina, commiphora gileadensis, prosopis spp (though this one we likely won't continue planting in the future), and the local acacias.
Music by Faisal Alawi, and by Olafur Arnalds (performed by Voces 8).
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موسيقة: فيصل علوي و الفور ارنالدز
"We are not destructive by nature but by habit" Well said, what wisdom, what inspiration.
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What I learned - putting rocks in the right place will literally turn a rocky dessert green. Humanity can reverse the damage its done to the environment just as easily if they had the will.
My conclusions are “the powers that be” do not want to heal the land. It’s just as easy as this to fix erosion and water problems. Every state could implement these K. I. S. S. solutions 💯
ALL of our environmental problems can be solved with “will”….
Absolutely. Thank you.
As a Saudi I would like to thank you for this magnificent job... you guys gave life to those people... what an achievement 👏 👌 🙌 😍
its been raining in Spain!
@abdulaziz alkadi its been raining in Spain!!!!
@mike Andersson its raining in Spain again!
بفلوسنا!
@Dar Al Arqam في المغرب هناك قرية تعاونت معها شركة نرويجية أو دانماركية على ما أذكر وأنشؤوا فيها ألواح صيد الضباب وتم توفير مياه الشرب للقرية والقرى المجاورة بعدما كانوا لا يجدون حتى ماء للشرب
I'm a Saudi you you really need to make a version in Arabic of this film or at least translate it Such an effort need to be widely publicized through out Saudi Arabia Simple, done in association with local people with minimalist skills in restoring the land, yet effictive and can be copied in many areas Please please make an Arabic version I know the people who are going to request your services and many others in Saudi Arabia speak English but an Arabic version will make the story fly to everyone's phone who is intreasted but don't speak English (and they are a lot)
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That is very smart of you! Thank you for your efforts.
Also. We can share it with Saudi youtubers so they would talk about it and spread awareness. 👍
@aaa aaa I should do that! 😃 Now I found a project to work on for the day! Thanks guys for the idea! 🙏 😊
You are Saudi, you speak English. Why don't you make an Arabic version or at least make subtitles for this video and reupload it? Plus it's in your people's interest to make this video that you speak of. Why do you expect outsiders to do something that benefits you people?
As a massive fan of permaculture and someone who's dedicated my current situation to restoring native bee populations and wild species. This made me cry into my coffee. Thank you for the inspiration.
@Gary Oakham I haven't cried in a very long time, I used to cry easily. But Regenerative industry makes me cry. To see how hard people are willing to work to make it happen. To watch simple application of natural systems to make miracles...so I cry because I know everything is going to be okay someday.
@Thivagaran Seetharaman Yes, you can line the holes with cut stones or rocks, too.
@Ahmad ElGindy First you help the bees, by planting things they need to eat and drink, and places to live. Then more types of benefical insects are attracted, followed by birds (which will spread seeds of things they eat and digest), other native wildlife will show up and they will take care of the rest. Cross pollination is just one of the many things.
When I move to my property in Minnesota, I could only find a mother and daugher bumble bees. It took years of getting rid of the lawn and turning into a wildlife habitat/food forest. I was in my late 50's, NOT easy work. Half way, I had many more bumble bees, any other types. I am now 75, there are many kinds of bees and beneficial insects. Even honey bees, that are no native to the US are showing up in my property. Also many birds and other wildlife. If I could, anyone can. My property is in the middle small city. You can do it.
@Rocky Mountain MT we have a native medicinal mint here called Monarda punctata that makes a very nice tea .. loquot leaf ..passion flower leaf ..olive leaf ..blackberry leaf ..citrus leaf.. pine needles ..can make herbal teas from almost anything..theye so good for you
Having lived in Saudi Arabia near Mecca and knowing it’s harsh climate, the achievement is nothing less than a miracle. I would love to the learnings of this project replicated across all other wadis in the region. It will take the same dedication as shown in the project l.
The changes made there almost brought me tears, and as a person who rarely gets emotional, this was unexpected. But it’s beautiful. I’m so inspired.
I had the same reaction, we need to be connected to our environment. I live in the very green Northeast USA. I do not take it for granted. If our rain was cut off we would look like the desert South west.
Absolutely,it is emotionally overwhelming ,how amazing this project turned out ,very inspiring
So ur going there 2 hlp😳
A lot of effort à little results, Arabia Kingdom has the possibilities to do better with chines, Koreans or seoydaian people. This person is just job for his Contry or university.
Those who participated in this projects are truely heroes, Great job guys👏👏👏👏
Congratulations to the people of Al Baydha! It took 6 years of hard labor and another 4 years of growth to see the fruits of your labor. You have so much to be proud of.
I've been following this project for years and was very sad when the videos stopped. Seeing that grass sweep in the wind at 12:10 makes me very happy. Congratulations! And please, keep updating!
What's so amazing about these sorts of water management techniques is they get better the larger you scale them up, which we're used to water usage getting less efficient as scale grows up. If an entire region uses these techniques, the atmospheric humidity can start to rise, furthering the amount of water available for system. It's also what makes desertification so easy. A little overgrazing in one area can quickly lead to collapse.
In the video he mentioned that they could replicate their small project across the region and possibly return rivers to the area. I think scaling up would quickly improve the area. It is amazing how just adding cover crops or mulch can cool the surface of an area. Cool the surface of several areas the size of their project and so much would change for the better. I sure hope they keep the project going and growing. There are spots here in the southwest USA that had similar projects. With these projects, they have had natural springs return that feed water sources. Ponds that were lost are back. With the retained water, the life of the area has greatly increased. Nature is good to us when we are good to it.
@none The Al-Baydha project was funded by one of the Saudi princes as a proof of concept; the immediate economic benefits compared to working in the urban centers is so little that many locals have no choice but to abandon these initiatives because of the massive upfront costs in manpower, time, and money it takes to dig swales, pile on berms, and terrace the mountains. While other states like India and China implement these on much larger scales because of the much more forgiving climate, Saudi Arabia's overreliance on oil money (which tends to be concentrated in the families that do control oil fields) and outsourcing of industrial / agricultural power means that there's very few people with the know-how to do this kind of thing, much less the willpower to implement the project with their own funds and time in the relatively harsher conditions of the Arabian Peninsula.
Is it such a massive undertaking to build terraces? Are the local people continuing to build them on their own? Or do they only do it when outsiders tell them to?
This is proof that if all the resources all the nations put towards their military might could be redirected towards restoring and regenerating the earth no one would be hungry anymore, there would be no more wars, the world would be a better place and people would be much happier, life would be as it was meant to be..... good. 😍😍😍
Look, mate, if you spend your resources improving your land while your neighbour spends their resources improving their army, they will get the better ROI once they take over your improved lands.
Getting rid of war would take forever. What is needed is people doing their part and not waiting for others to do it for them. We have plenty of information and videos of the how to. Governments, for the most part, are too "busy" wasting time and money in things that are not really important. Most videos about improving the land are not by government, on the contrary they are obstacle many times.
There's always going to be an unhinged lunatic who wants to move their administrative border. I agree that directing the public's attention to being wise stewards as we were meant to be is a better idea, though. I really enjoyed his statement that humanity needs to recognize itself as a keystone species.
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This work deserves a Nobel prize. It is truly inspiring, groundbreaking and something many generations of humans will need to look at it in the future, unfortunately
Profound. "We are not destructive by nature, but by habit." This rings true. The optimism and self expectation of this statement if far more empowering and motivating than those where self-hatred and guilt are pushed.
This is so inspiring. It shows the power of one who believes with all his heart. An example to us all.
Oh yes, I’m so glad I found this video 😭❤️
You are definitely putting your hands on the solution to so many environmental issues. Not maintaining, you're bringing real solutions. Well done Neal 🙏
God I love that statement, “we are not destructive by nature but by habit”, that is so true. Great job!
I found this story at the moment I needed to hear something positive. I was so moved by this story and the incredible message that I've always resonated with: That humans are inherently good and when inspired and activated by this message, can bring about such positive affects on each other and the environment. My 7th grade son is having to do a science project about how humans are destroying the world and our negative impact on the environment. He is supposed to find supporting evidence of this. Instead, he will be using this video as an example of what we are doing right for the planet. Thank you so much for your work, your message, and your inspiration.
This is awe-inspiring. Hats off to you and your team for pulling this off!
I've had the privilege to visit Al-Baidha project and meet with Neal back in 2016. This will inspire generations to come. Thanks for sharing.
@Man Accept 2WQ3+6Q, Al Abar 24534, Saudi Arabia. It has its own pin on Google Maps now.
@Fynn Gilbert location is about 5 km south from, Al Abar 24537, Saudi Arabia
Hello Mr Masri. Can you tell me the address of the site? I would like to find it on google earth. I want to see the progress made from year to year
@Lee Lindsay there are KZfive videos on Permaculture and also on Nanoclay developed by a Norwegian engineer, Ole Sivertsen www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/follow-the-food/the-spray-that-turns-deserts-into-farmland.html Also, fungus must be added and earthworms are important.
I was really worried about this project caus it kinda dissappeared from sight. This video just BLEW my mind away im sooooo happy to see that it was a success and I cant wait to collaborate with these folks in the future!
It's my third time coming back to this video, it's just an amazing story that brings hope what can be achieved with reversing climate change locally! I was reminded of this video after watching a video on how beavers help keep water in the ground and soil throughout droughts by damming up creeks and smaller rivers. It really is a scalable system wherever u go!
Neal, What an amazing and inspirational summary of a 10yr journey! Your vision is not only plausible but game changing. Wishing you all the best of luck !!
So honoured to have tumbled upon this work. Beyond inspiring! Thank you thank you 🙏
Breathtaking achievement. I’m sorry your funding dried up, but such a brave decision,to cut the irrigation, and such a payoff. Seeing those grasses swaying is just wonderful. Congratulations to all the people involved and I hope this is now the.sustainable system everyone wanted. As long as overgrazing doesn’t happen, it should help lots of people have a better life. Thank you for this film! 🙏
yes my thoughts on hoping the grazing is managed
Sir, you are a living legend! That is a legacy that you live behind that will inspire future generations.
Regenerative agriculture IN A DESERT! This project proves that even with extreme weather patterns that climate change will likely cause in the future we can still feed the world if we employed the right practices! Very inspiring, thank you!
Thank You for the inspiration. This project was one of the main reasons we started our own dryland regen project. Thanks again from Oz!
So very pleased that they system has survived and shown to be resilient without rainfall. Thanks heaps for sharing this update. We rejoice with you.
@Rodney Caupp Really annoying how the greed of the past can destroy so much of potential for the future
@Sean Regehr Exactly... Sean. Trees and Grass, " but the right kind of trees and grass". There is an interesting story about re-establishing forest in the desert areas of the Grand canyon and Colorado river, and it was all about finding the right trees out of 25 or more varieties of cottonwood and birch trees. Those forests were cut down in the 1800s to be used in the steam powered riverboats of that era.
It was not actually resilient without rainfall, as they mentioned plants and trees began dying off. When the rain came again is when everything came back to life though, and all that did survive became battle tested for the conditions. They should be planting as many Acacia trees as possible as they are native to the area and climate.
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This was a very inspiring story and as I watched the grasses and trees swaying in the winds tears spewed but as awesome and inspiring as all that is nothing compares to the working with people to lift everyone up learning how much more is poss than we might ever have thought possible thank you for sharing this 🦋
Being a Good Steward is a core value. I love what you have done. the implications of being a keystone species is wonderful. I am glad I found this video. Ps I love the desert. I lived in it for over a decade. It sings to my heart still.
Thanks to the princesses that paid attention to the people of that village in the first place .... Im sure the village would have disappeared on map by now if they were ignored back in 2010 . Thanks so much for this great work Mr Spackman! absolutely incredible
Inspiring work. Let's all do our parts in regenerating earth and its people.. Deep respect for all of you. BTW freaking amazing terraces 🌍☘️
Since I moved to the UAE, I’ve been periodically checking up on this project. It is a remarkable achievement that you’ve accomplished here. I am thrilled and stunned by your achievements.
@Al Baydha That was and is a great job. I posted about my little job on 1/3 acre that I started when I was 58 and still keep improving now that I am 75. It is a life time job, like yours, which brings great joy.
@Al Baydha Now I heard there is unusual snow fall in saudi.
@Al Baydha that's what I want to reply. I am dreaming to start a project like this.
Excellent work, but they have to plant trees in the upper parts of the mountains so that the water table rises and water sources are created.
@Daniel von Bose Nice thought "Great things take time"👍. I hope that desert would be a green place and good place to live soon.
This documentation of the effect of re-greening one site is absolutely creditable. Just wondering whether a 2021 update has been prepared?
As one American to another, I am proud of you! What a wonderful contribution to our planet 🌏… Thank You…
Seriously the people involved must be so proud. Amazing work
Very inspiring work! Question: Were at least many of the trees and other plants chosen that were native to the area? Or was the focus more on agriculture?
How on earth can be more than 200 people that put thumbs down to this video! It is an example of how we can make a great good impact in our mother earth.
This is so inspiring to see... Thank you so much for sharing your progress with us!
Admire the dedication of you and the people of the area to make this happen. It’s inspirational and encouraging. Thanks.
This has to be one of my favorite permaculture videos. That's a tough sled and it really made a difference. One of the biggest hurdles is the human systems, I'd like to hear more about that.
I've seen this video more than 10 times, just to remind me that I have a huge responsibility to start regenerating the soil on my land. Finally I got the guts to leave my tech job in order to get into the land and do something beautiful for mother nature.
Best of luck to you! This work is hard, but it's worth it.
Humans are the keystone species! Bravo Neal! Your work is beyond inspiring!
What a great story, I'd love to see this sort of thing happening world wide. Yes we have the ability to heal and enhance the earth, to much emphasis is put on the negative aspects of man, it's unbalanced. Nearly all people get a kick out of seeing life return like you just demonstrated. Awesome
Astounding. What a wonderful story and a fantastic example of man’s ability do do great things.
This is fantastic, I hope the Saudi government takes note and makes this a pilot project and not a forgotten experiment. We can all learn from this
@Kathie Smith 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@robert howard I don't know if you viewed my earlier comments from 2 weeks ago. Please do. Your wording is quite eloquent, and politically correct and yet very misleading to those who follow only the general propaganda. Maybe you could express your views of our Prophet (saw) in order to clear up misunderstandings. From what I wrote, which is the truth couldn't be anything but encouraging. And this is something that you and many others refuse to believe. We all have aspirations Robert, I still don't think you get the point. But it is ok, we will continue to agree to disagree. You know the very people who you give special thanks to are the same people who say they follow the Prophet (saw) which you seem to have a different view about. Maybe that comment should be brought to those who you call royalty. The actual Saudi people from the view of the film were the ones who had been oppressed for generations. They were willing to try anything to bring back their land. Desperation breeds inspiration as they say. But Robert, it is neither here or there but the fact is is that a man who Allah gave a vision to and who put it into action was actually following the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) and all of the other Prophets (as) before him. Alhamdullilah And thank you Robert, you seem like a nice person as well but hiding behind cordial comments will never bring the truth to light. I do hope that you read my previous comments below. Take care Robert and may Allah guide us all to the straight path. Amin
@robert howard I know that many of us have been conditioned in our lives to believe that the government is helping and each passing reign is better and more liberal. But the fact is, from a Muslim, looking at what the "rulers" of the so called predominately Muslim countries do is nothing but a glorified version of the Western ideology. Which is not Islam. Just taking for instance this project in Saudi. I look at the cities paved in luxury, the sky scrapers. The gold, the oil, the abundant resources. The "hired" help. I look at how the "hired help", actually slaves, are being treated. I look at how this village among others that we do not know about have suffered under this for years , decades and continue to suffer. This is NOT Islam! My Prophet (saw) would never sleep in a golden bed or drive in a limo if he knew there were people who were struggling to survive. And the rightly guided Khalif after him lived by the same principles. Alhamdullilah Umar (ra) upon hearing a complaint from one of his people about how they had no meat to eat, gave up meat until he knew all of his people under his rule were being fed equally. Alhamdullilah Now that dear Robert is a servant of Allah and a leader. He did not lead by empty words and platitudes, but by example. Alhamdullilah These governments are following the tactics of the disbeliever oppressors in the West. Since the time of Jesus (as) and before, the kings took from their subjects and then gave them crumbs to live on while they lived in luxury. Now, let's think about this Robert. IF the progressive Saud government was so vested in this project don't you think they would of taken their own laborers and machines from their big cities and made this project on their own to give their subjects who have been oppressed for so long some ease? That would be truly noble of them don't you think? Something to make the rest of the Muslim Ummah and world to aspire to, just as the Prophet (saw) and the 4 Khalifs after him(saw) .But the fact is, they made those who have been oppressed for so long "work" for this project themselves with minimal resources. And they chose to be like the "kings" around them and expect the world to give them kudos for their "little steps" Which, sadly to say, they do because they are so use to getting the crumbs from their masters.And again, that is NOT Islam! And don't you think Robert that it is time to grow up and stop taking baby steps? Walk like a man, walk like the Prophet (saw) and all of the Prophets (as) before him walked? Our time is short on the earth and we all will be held accountable for our actions on the Day of Judgement. May Allah open our eyes and guide us to the straight path. Amin
If you like this project, check out the restoration of the Chinese desert... kzfive.info/lost/bejne/r6eed73HhKmegYA.html TRULY inspirational!
what amazing work. Permaculture can teach us so much. I love that everyone on this project had so much patience and kept the vision alive through all those dry intervening years. All over the world there are pockets of such good work. Together we are strong and can help the earth sustain us once more
Your passion is evident in your work in Al Baydha. This is the type of work that should inspire humankind to act now! It's not too late!
We are all for you. Good job. This is what we love seeing! And love enabling! The Earth300 Team.
This is AMAZING! Great job on everyone’s very hard work!
I am very proud of everybody involved with this project. Ty!
One of the finest documentaries on the subject of regenerative agriculture--and its success--I have had the pleasure to view! Useful and inspirational!!
This guy's work is really inspiring! Should get way more attention!
Wow Neal, thank you so much for summarizing and sharing this project with us! I almost cried listening to your closing words, because the possibility is there, but ???. I wish there were a million more projects like this with generous sponsors like HRH Princess Haifa Al Fasal and her family/friends who made this possible (thank you all sooooo much). Having these sponsors to make pilot projects like this possible, is super important because they build experience and confidence that then inspire more projects to be done by common people, as they can see there are real results in all this hard work. lets hope the word and work spreads like crazy...
Neal - I always thought Al Baydha was an impossible mission with a negative ROI that was a bridge too far for you - especially during the multi-year period with no rain around the time you left for Stanford. I have to give you credit for what you achieved with all of those stone earthwork check dams and terraces and dry land systems when the flood rain finally returned after several years. This is the sort of land repair task that will cost billions and required government money but it is one that you proved that can stop the desertification and that can repair the landscape (even though it may take a decade). Your work is also an inspiration showing that good regenerative design can (slowly) fix landscapes severely damaged by mismanagement and bad practices. Job well done...
This is amazing, and made me weep. It reminds me of what is needed in Scotland, where the people were removed and the land deforested. We are going to need projects like this on a massive scale in the future. I hope Saudi Arabia commits to replicating these projects across the country, and I look forward to seeing what the Al Baydha wadi looks like in 2030, and 2040. Rural poverty and and rural regions deserve the same attention or more when compared to our obsession with skyscrapers and futuristic cities.
I’ve so enjoyed watching this project develop. Amazing work!!
I love this! Thank you, Neil and all who contributed to moving stones, moving money, making rain fall, and slowing, spreading and sinking the flood waters into the desert! It reminds me of the insanity now, all designed by malevolence, ignored brilliance and innocence derailed. Humans are so beautiful, so helpful, so cooperative with this real invitation. What a beautiful invitation to humanity to grow in this Permaculture Way, through Permaculture's regenerative 3 ethics and 12 principles that remind us who we are; we are Nature. Insanity is the desert of loving connection felt as real, for so long, through so much trauma, when all we need is each other to listen, to observe, and to heal and grow as Nature, always in mutually beneficial relationship, always efficiently, always observing, adjusting, accepting feedback, starting small, and growing the sanity of health, well being and joy. I am very happy to see this work. Mahalo nui loa, Aloha, Blessings, Clarity, Claire
This is truly inspiring. What a story of will and endurance! Congratulations on your success against daunting odds.
Neal you cannot go through such a long term project without growing. Although the achievement is spectacular and inspiring and I’m sure it had its ups and downs all along the way. You and your team are the greatest achievement of the project. Your capacity to affect change has been tested, your perseverance and persistence has stood. Now you can take on greater challenges. All the best in your new venture.
Hello Stefan! I love your content!
It's with great surprise finding your comment here Stefan. How's your work doing?
Truly amazing work!!! if every country would get involved in things like this we would be making the world a better place!
Way to go Neal and those involved. This is an uplifting and important work.
Love all the episodes from 2011, epic story, really inspirational. One of the hardest regenerative projects i have witnesed to date. BIG KUDOS SIR.
Salamun Alaykum Brothers✋ May Allah swt help you with your projects and make the desert green again Amiiiiiin🤲 This project should be applied everywhere on earth where the drought is at its worst and it must be remedied before it too late to do anything about it.
amazing story, I teared up seeing the transformations of the landscape
Thank you very much for this beautiful video. We are working in Spain, less desertified but exact same principles for restoration! Greetings from Al-Andalus (الأندلس)
Crazy what peace and cohesive teamwork across borders can accomplish in the middle of a desert.
In my opinion one of the best examples throughout the world of the power of these techniques, and of the importance that indigenous regenerative practices have in an ecosystem. We are the keystone species of most places we inhabit! We need to act like it and actually foster these places. Great video.
Regenerative agriculture is amazing. What I appreciated even more, however, is the investment in the people which gave them skills to help continue to heal the land and lift themselves out of abject poverty. This was an awesome project.
I'm a regenerative farmer in northern Ontario and I'm so proud and humbled by your accomplishments in such a harsh climate. This must be how it was generations ago.
Amazing job. It is wonderful what can be achieved with ingenuity and hard work. Hope to see many more places going green again.
I have loved following this amazing project. I wish Al Bayda had been able to get funding to continue tree planting according to the water budget until 2022. I think ten years of planting might have reached the 60% tree cover recommended for desert systems more quickly and dramatically to accelerate the diversity of the planting that comes with canopy cover. That could still happen couldn't it? Crowdfunding maybe? Seeking donations during Haij ?
thank you, Mr Neal Spackman four your tremendous work in our beloved holey land I went for umrah in 2019 and on my way from Makkah mukaramah to Madinah munawarah I saw a huge wast area of land valleys and mountains and very little greenery or trees and i was wondering to my self if they could build small dams to save the rainwater a benefit for nature and local population once again thank you and those locals who helped you
I hope there will be updates showing the long term sustainment of this area and plant growth.
This is a great project. I'd love to hear about the impact of the demonstration site in the region. Are other projects trying to do the same or something similar?
Yes in Senegal and in Niger...two videos
Those wheated terraces took my breath away, quite literally. I'm glad to know works such as these are being done. Shukran!
This was such an incredible story, when people understand what was done wrong and work together, we CAN reverse damage we have done, bravo to all involved in this amazing project
blessing to you and all that have worked on this beautiful project. well done for all you have achieved and with such inspiring words i feel you have much more achievement coming to you!
Amazing project. Just watched a similar project in India and found myself here(glad I did). I would love to see boring tunnel company build out some terracing with their block building out of dust and rock.
Awesome, I really hope to see future updates. Also, thank you, this project has been a big inspiration to me. I live in the woods in Southern California and am threatened by fires almost every year. The forest has been manipulated by people for a very long time with obvious signs of degradation. On my property I have been told that the creek just below me used to flow year around. It now dries up by Mar or Apr and doesn't flow again until the first rains in Oct or Nov (probably something to do with Nestle being a 1/2 mile away and pumping/bottling millions of gallon of water). Its a bit different from the Saudi Desert but we also experience very long periods with no rain. After watching what you guys had done I started piling anything I could into the creek (rocks, logs, sticks, etc.). This was 3 years ago, the creek still drys up for a short period but the ground stays wet year round! This small area just below my house has turned into a lush isolated jungle within an otherwise dry forest (a lot more wildlife too). I hope to continue this project and feel it was one of the best things I've done to protect my property (and my neighbors). Thanks again and can't wait to see whats possible with a large piece of land! I'd really like to see more people in my area creating their own natural fire breaks and restoring the rivers and streams.
Go to Montana, Cali is so corrupt it can't be saved unless enough people feel pain.